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Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:21 am
by BlackSheep214
I didn't want to hijack BsYamato's thread on his Ju-88 build but I have to find out how the heck do you guys make your own seat harnesses? I know some use tape but what do you use as buckles? I did see BsYamato had two types of buckles inserts on the tape. I'm at a loss how to make your own. How wide should the harnesses be for 1/48 scale?

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:54 am
by Thomas_M
Never made my own. I usually by RBProductions or HGW.
On the buckles I have seen modellers using thin wire bent to shape, or fine solder.

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:57 am
by Stikpusher
I cant speak for other aircraft nationalities, but US aircraft seat webbing is usually around 4" for the lap harness and 2"-3" for the shoulder straps. In 1/48 1/4" of actual size is 1 scale foot, so roughly 1/16" for the shoulder straps and 3/32" for the lap harness. The leather pads under the main buckle are approx. 6" wide so 1/8" wide for that.

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And of course there are lots of variations from this example by nationality and era

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:10 pm
by Thomas_M
What aircraft and time is this from, Stik?

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:12 pm
by Stikpusher
Thomas_M wrote:What aircraft and time is this from, Stik?
I've worn harnesses like this on UH-1s. CH-47s, OH-58s, C-130s and C-141s. between 1983 and 2007

The P-51 had a similar set up. just notice the shoulder strap buckles that hook into the lap buckle

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Here is a P-47 seat

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Here is a P-40 seat

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Here is a UH-1
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As I said, it was pretty much a standard design for non ejection seat in US aircraft from WWII thru today

The only US aircraft with a different non ejection type harness set up that I have used was on the UH-60 which has automobile type end buckles and a central dial type closure device

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Pre war/early WWII aircraft seat had only lap belts, no shoulder harness straps

Early SBD seat
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TBD seat
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Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:43 pm
by Thomas_M
I always wondered where or how the shoulder belts attach to the lap ones. The image of the P-51 makes this clear for me.
Thanks for all this information, Stik!

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:13 am
by Stikpusher
You're quite welcome Thomas. It's funny how something that works and is simple can be kept in service by the US military for decades. :hmm: Just like the M2 .50 Cal.. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:54 pm
by Stikpusher
The RAF/FAA WWII era Sutton Harness is similar in concept, but uses a series of grommets with a single point plug & cotter pin to secure it all in one point

basic component lap and shoulder belts with attached plug and cotter pin

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plug & cotter pin inserted thru grommets

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Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:55 pm
by Medicman71
Lots of good info Stik.

Re: Homemade seat harneses.

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:05 am
by KSaarni
Very interesting information Stik !

I have started to use flat strip of lead from "JMC Hobby". Very easy to use.

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- Kari